Posts by cha ching

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The Report - BBC Radio 4 about Jehovah's Witnesses and Child Sexual Abuse can now be heard

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0612hjs.

the report about child abuse and jehovah's witnesses is now live.. jehovah's witnesses handle child abuse cases.

jehovah's witnesses and child sexual abuse, the report - bbc radio 4 .

cha ching

umbertoecho: So true! My feelings exactly!

I will say..." So why does your' organization feel comfortable fighting for other rights in Satan's legal world then. Why have you bragged for decades about every win you have ever had in those evil Satanic courts. You employed lawyers who were not JWs, you employed lawyers who were of Satan's world to defend your' rights and that was okay?"

Let's not forgetting about their bragging over "first amendment rights" regarding the flag salute.

*** w55 10/1 p. 590 Part 19—Christian Neutrals in America During World War II ***

For relief, for refuge, the doors of the United States Supreme Court were clamored at. Finally the unusual happened. The Supreme Court reversed itself on June 14, 1943, in the case of West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, holding that Jehovah’s witnesses need not salute the flag. From the court’s historic opinion we quote:

“To sustain the compulsory flag salute we are required to say that a Bill of Rights which guards the individual’s right to speak his own mind, left it open to public authorities to compel him to utter what is not in his mind. . . . If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. . . . We think the action of the local authorities in compelling the flag salute and pledge transcends constitutional limitations on their power and invades the sphere of intellect and spirit which it is the purpose of the First Amendment to our Constitution to reserve from all official control. The decision of this Court in Minersville School District v. Gobitis . . . [is] overruled.”

What rejoicing this victory brought to Jehovah’s people! Now their children could return to public schools for their education and no longer would it be necessary to operate the temporary Kingdom Schools. For the first time in eight long years could the children of the witnesses take their rightful places in the schoolrooms of the nation, This without their being required to make what to them is an idolatrous salute."

How much time and money did they spend taking this flag salute issue to court?

Are they as earnest as to time and money defending a child's rights against child abuse?

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Today's daily text made me laugh!

by paradisebeauty in

anointed christians knew that 1914 would mark a turning point regarding divine rulership.

as soon as they discerned the fulfillment of bible prophecy, they boldly declared to others that gods rule had begun.

today, with so much evidence that gods kingdom is already established in heaven, why do the majority of people not accept what this means?

cha ching

Total propaganda, however it is easy to see how the WT works from this one paragraph.

1. State an event in history that they would rather people not know about (they said Armageddon would come in 1914)

2. Misdirect their brains to a positive regarding this failed prediction and hope, and dumb it down.... "Anointed Christians knew that 1914 would mark a turning point regarding divine rulership.

3. Then they ask questions. These "questions" are actually statements and directions for the way Jehovah's Witnesses should think.

"Today, with so much evidence that God’s Kingdom is already established in heaven, why do the majority of people not accept what this means?

Why are they not able to connect the dots, so to speak, between the state of the world and specific Bible prophecies that God’s people have long been publicizing? (this means that JW's are smart, they DO connect the dots, because "they believe and publicize the state of the world," and the link between "specific Bible prophecies" (If you are a JW, you can start feeling proud about how smart you are....)

"Could it be that most people are focusing attention on just what they can see with their eyes? (2 Cor. 5:7) (Don't be like them, you would be ignorant.... focus on what you can't see with your eyes)

Does their preoccupation with human affairs blind them to what God is doing? (Matt. 24:37-39) (Again a negative to 'worldly people', a positive if you are a JW)

Are some of them distracted by the noise of satanic propaganda? (Just a question? or is it telling you, inferring that you would become influenced by satan if you focused on what you could see?)

So.... distract..... obscure reality..... ask questions that would make people feel bad if they answered them in the positive.

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How Far Apart Were Your Legs?

by Joe Grundy in

several threads on here about the excellent bbc r4 programme this week ('the report') focussing on rape and abuse in barry, south wales, jws.

fat pervert mark sewell later got 14 years and i hope he is enjoying every minute of it.. the courageous ladies who spoke on the programme were articulate, reasonable and made a tremendous impression.. the quote in the thread title made an impression on me, and i hope, on all listeners.. forget religious, theological, 'biblical' issues and cut to the basics.

a rape victim was asked to demonstrate - to demonstrate, ffs - to three unqualified (middle-aged at least, presumably) men just how far her legs were apart when she was raped.. i have rarely heard anything so outrageous, and i used to investigate rape and abuse in my profession.

cha ching

What if you were a little boy, sitting at the meeting.... you hear, "When a woman is raped, she must scream, otherwise she will die at Armageddon."..... What do you hear? blah, blah blah.... you are a boy, right? Do you know what rape is? Have you ever thought of being 'raped' cuz... well, you are a guy?

Then, you are 'raped', learn what it means.... Uh oh.... you didn't scream.... Are you so afraid of dying at Armageddon, because you were raped, that you didn't tell anyone?

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How Far Apart Were Your Legs?

by Joe Grundy in

several threads on here about the excellent bbc r4 programme this week ('the report') focussing on rape and abuse in barry, south wales, jws.

fat pervert mark sewell later got 14 years and i hope he is enjoying every minute of it.. the courageous ladies who spoke on the programme were articulate, reasonable and made a tremendous impression.. the quote in the thread title made an impression on me, and i hope, on all listeners.. forget religious, theological, 'biblical' issues and cut to the basics.

a rape victim was asked to demonstrate - to demonstrate, ffs - to three unqualified (middle-aged at least, presumably) men just how far her legs were apart when she was raped.. i have rarely heard anything so outrageous, and i used to investigate rape and abuse in my profession.

cha ching

Thank you conceptual99, I remembered the same thing, "that there is no need to go into "needless details, especially in regard to sexual matters."

In some congregations, the elders did not go into detail. It is infuriating that other men have done this. The fact that they questioned kids w/o their parents is maddening.

That is why you need to have people trained to deal with child abuse, not people without a safeguard, not having to answer to 'the law.'

'Isn't this when things go bad, when you have an organization that polices itself inhouse"?

Remember, though, "It's God's organization... who else better to handle this than the ones who will soon rule God's kingdom? Let's do what the organization tells us to do, and call the Legal Department first"

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How Far Apart Were Your Legs?

by Joe Grundy in

several threads on here about the excellent bbc r4 programme this week ('the report') focussing on rape and abuse in barry, south wales, jws.

fat pervert mark sewell later got 14 years and i hope he is enjoying every minute of it.. the courageous ladies who spoke on the programme were articulate, reasonable and made a tremendous impression.. the quote in the thread title made an impression on me, and i hope, on all listeners.. forget religious, theological, 'biblical' issues and cut to the basics.

a rape victim was asked to demonstrate - to demonstrate, ffs - to three unqualified (middle-aged at least, presumably) men just how far her legs were apart when she was raped.. i have rarely heard anything so outrageous, and i used to investigate rape and abuse in my profession.

cha ching

When I was young, after reading the WT about "Did you scream" and how you would die at Armageddon if you didn't, I was really terrified of what might happen to me.

I thought of all these scenarios, and how I could escape them alive..... Like, what if a rapist had a knife to my throat, I could feel the blade cutting into my skin... Am I really going to scream?

I thought "If Rahab can lie to the men trying to find the spies," and she is a hero, 'I can lie to the rapist, "sure, this is fun, I won't tell"' and then turn him into the police so he can't hurt another person in their life!

The WTBTS is an evil organization! Many parents do not know the thought loops their children must go through when they hear this type of thing, "YOU MUST SCREAM" , at the meetings.

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Do not Disassociate, Anull your baptism

by jwfacts in

i am now a jedi, so trust me on this.. .

why dis-associate, you are just playing by the wts rules?

how can you dis-associate anyway, you never thought you were baptised as a watchtower society member, you thought your dedication was to god, so why formally disassociate from something you did not formally join?

cha ching

I think sending letters to the BOE is a waste of time, especially now in 2015.

ANYTHING that says "I don't want...." is, and can be construed as, "Pull the bar down, drop 'em" (Like when the floor opens, and you drop, haha) This borganization has become like a heartless machine. Elders go to elders school to learn "rules."

I simply don't go to meetings, and my mom treats me in a self righteous business type of way. "Yes, any thing else?" as if she has only met me a few days ago.

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This generation revisited.

by Bigdummy in

it's 1:30 am and i'm wide awake again as usual.

i was doing a little bible reading yesterday and.

came across luke 11:29 where jesus states " when the crowds were increasing, he began to say,.

cha ching

Like all 'leaving' JW's, I made sure of my 'facts', and looked up ALL cases of "generation" in the entire Bible..... every single one of them.... did all the math.......

40...Let's spell it everyone... F...O...R...T... Y..

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Sam Herd’s comment on the 2001 Dateline expose

by Londo111 in

im going by memory, so not an exact quote...i believe this was around 2002, at the crownsville assembly hall (now sold from what i understand)..

he said basically: some people watch an hour show and give up the faith that theyve had for decades..

the impact of this show was like a canon being shot into a swimming pool.

cha ching

cognac: They do not "say it".... but all the cases I have read about child abuse, people are treated as IF they are DF'd, because they "are bringing reproach upon Jehovah's name."... they have brought shame to the congregation...

Not written, but you can hear the same phrases uttered everywhere.... Phrases are repeated in WT's, asked like a question instead of a demand, "Would WE want to bring reproach on Jehovah's organization? No, we love Jehovah"

People who testified, telling the truth at trials. were DF'd at the end of the trial. Not until the end... o/w the WT lawyers could be accused of messing with the trial, after all, the WT lawyers ARE part of "Jehovah's LOVING worldwide organization" and if anything is wrong with it "Jehovah can read their hearts" and "Jehovah will straighten it out in his own due time." I heard, and still do hear these phrases over an over.

People who tell the truth, and testify in trials are charged with "speaking abusively of the glorious ones," or "brazen" in their conduct, and DF'd. Barbara Anderson was DF'd right before she went on TV..... Why? all because she told the truth!

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Sam Herd’s comment on the 2001 Dateline expose

by Londo111 in

im going by memory, so not an exact quote...i believe this was around 2002, at the crownsville assembly hall (now sold from what i understand)..

he said basically: some people watch an hour show and give up the faith that theyve had for decades..

the impact of this show was like a canon being shot into a swimming pool.

cha ching

Cognac, the thinking was "why would you want to go to the world" when you have "Jehovah's glorious organization that will rule the world in righteousness!"? That was, and really still is, the guilt trip that laid upon each and everyone of us.

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The Report - BBC Radio 4 about Jehovah's Witnesses and Child Sexual Abuse can now be heard

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0612hjs.

the report about child abuse and jehovah's witnesses is now live.. jehovah's witnesses handle child abuse cases.

jehovah's witnesses and child sexual abuse, the report - bbc radio 4 .

cha ching

Perhaps this will inspire Britain to take the first step towards examining the 'charity' status of the WTBTS! The reporter and the victims were 'spot on' in their comments, all the dots got connected in a great way. I like how the father of the abuse victim, who had been an elder for many, many years, explained how he could no longer support an organization that acted in this manner. How can the victims be treated as 'the enemy'? Great report!